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	<title>Comments on: Cyberwar Ain&#8217;t What It Used to Be</title>
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		<title>By: Doctress Julia</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctress Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 22:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always figured in the future I could be a razorgirl. Hasn&#039;t happened yet... :) I am more of a console cowboy/girl- don&#039;t need augmentation! LOL. LOVE Neuromancer too- there was to be a graphic novel of it done by some guy who was in Heavy Metal magazine all the time. Never happened, I guess. Dang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always figured in the future I could be a razorgirl. Hasn&#8217;t happened yet&#8230; :) I am more of a console cowboy/girl- don&#8217;t need augmentation! LOL. LOVE Neuromancer too- there was to be a graphic novel of it done by some guy who was in Heavy Metal magazine all the time. Never happened, I guess. Dang.</p>
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		<title>By: SPY GUY</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>SPY GUY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 03:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw the former chief strategist of netscape at the SECTOR conference and he presented on the cyber war threat.  I had worked with Kevin Coleman before, but his presentation really impacted me.  His inventory of cyber weapons included DEWs, TEDs, and self morphing/self encrypting malicious code.  We are in serious trouble.  Hackers of the world should unite and hit any country that launches a cyber attack!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw the former chief strategist of netscape at the SECTOR conference and he presented on the cyber war threat.  I had worked with Kevin Coleman before, but his presentation really impacted me.  His inventory of cyber weapons included DEWs, TEDs, and self morphing/self encrypting malicious code.  We are in serious trouble.  Hackers of the world should unite and hit any country that launches a cyber attack!</p>
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		<title>By: Ledokin &#187; Real world cyberwar Vs. cyberpunk</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Ledokin &#187; Real world cyberwar Vs. cyberpunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: rootcause</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>rootcause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 17:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm..
So the War has begun!!!!!</description>
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So the War has begun!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Borok</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Borok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 16:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could Gibson - or anybody else - have predicted that something as laughably obvious as a Nigerian 419 scam would still find people gullible enough to fall for it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could Gibson &#8211; or anybody else &#8211; have predicted that something as laughably obvious as a Nigerian 419 scam would still find people gullible enough to fall for it?</p>
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		<title>By: dinosaur1958</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>dinosaur1958</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 16:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Shaddack wins the thread.  Joey DeVilla, I think what Shaddack may have meant by black jeans being maintenance heavy is that they fade easily if not initially pre-soaked in vinegar solution to preserve dye, and subsequently always washed in cold water, gentle detergent, etc.  Or am I just living up to my name?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Shaddack wins the thread.  Joey DeVilla, I think what Shaddack may have meant by black jeans being maintenance heavy is that they fade easily if not initially pre-soaked in vinegar solution to preserve dye, and subsequently always washed in cold water, gentle detergent, etc.  Or am I just living up to my name?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 15:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyberwarriors are wearing BDUs, not leather.  USAF is converting 8th Air Force into another major command, Cyber Command, standing up this summer.  The Air Force recognises that the flipside of their network-centric way of warfare is increased network vulnerability.

So there will be guys in uniform dedicated to not just defending the milnets and civnets, but also developing offensive tactics as well.  Gliders are probably not going to be involved.  =)

More details are available in the text of SECAF Michael W. Wynne&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.af.mil/library/speeches/speech.asp?id=283&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;speech&lt;/a&gt; last November, to A C4ISR conference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyberwarriors are wearing BDUs, not leather.  USAF is converting 8th Air Force into another major command, Cyber Command, standing up this summer.  The Air Force recognises that the flipside of their network-centric way of warfare is increased network vulnerability.</p>
<p>So there will be guys in uniform dedicated to not just defending the milnets and civnets, but also developing offensive tactics as well.  Gliders are probably not going to be involved.  =)</p>
<p>More details are available in the text of SECAF Michael W. Wynne&#8217;s <a href="http://www.af.mil/library/speeches/speech.asp?id=283" rel="nofollow">speech</a> last November, to A C4ISR conference.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent's Imperative</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent's Imperative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 14:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://kentsimperative.blogspot.com/2007/05/remembering-capabilities-centric-models.html

In the same manner, we note a fascinating analysis of the recent real world “cyberwar” involving Estonia and Russia, compared to its fictionalized counterpart from the dawn of the networking era.....

....What strikes us most about this comparison is the difference between the fictional vision of an advanced state-owned, platform and shooter heavy special operations mission – against the reality of a distributed, commercial off the shelf capabilities-centric event for which attribution, let alone intent, is difficult to characterize effectively.</description>
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<p>In the same manner, we note a fascinating analysis of the recent real world “cyberwar” involving Estonia and Russia, compared to its fictionalized counterpart from the dawn of the networking era&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;.What strikes us most about this comparison is the difference between the fictional vision of an advanced state-owned, platform and shooter heavy special operations mission – against the reality of a distributed, commercial off the shelf capabilities-centric event for which attribution, let alone intent, is difficult to characterize effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: mfh</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-241</link>
		<dc:creator>mfh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 05:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FPGA&#039;s (GPGPU anyone?) and specialized hardware (probably specialized crypto hardware in this case -- bignum acceleration, PRNG&#039;s, and the like) are the way to go.  I can&#039;t imagine doing any serious hacking in leather, though -- too squeaky ;-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FPGA&#8217;s (GPGPU anyone?) and specialized hardware (probably specialized crypto hardware in this case &#8212; bignum acceleration, PRNG&#8217;s, and the like) are the way to go.  I can&#8217;t imagine doing any serious hacking in leather, though &#8212; too squeaky ;-P</p>
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		<title>By: E0157H7</title>
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		<dc:creator>E0157H7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 05:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always felt let down over how cybercrime turned out. No console cowboys, no custom-built computers, or even cool electrodes or wearable displays. Just some fairly regular people that can code and/or scam. No black leather either, more likely dirty cargo pants and a t-shirt. It is all so inglorious. At least there is still the mirrored shades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always felt let down over how cybercrime turned out. No console cowboys, no custom-built computers, or even cool electrodes or wearable displays. Just some fairly regular people that can code and/or scam. No black leather either, more likely dirty cargo pants and a t-shirt. It is all so inglorious. At least there is still the mirrored shades.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey deVilla</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey deVilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 01:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Shaddack:&lt;/strong&gt;

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&lt;li&gt;Yes, some attacks require you to get up close and personal, but the real-world cyberattack in question didn&#039;t require physical proximity. You &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; correct that in many cases, getting someone onsite is the best way into a system.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Some 1337 types do like to build their own machines, but I know lots of people who&#039;d rather not bother and just concentrate on their code or their cracking. As a wise man once said: &quot;Computer science is as much about computers as astronomy is about telescopes.&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Leather impractical? It&#039;s lasted for thousands of years because it&#039;s so damn practical and good lookin&#039; to boot. And jeans have got to be one of the easiest to care for garments around -- millions of college students and slackers can&#039;t be wrong. As for fatigues and tac vest -- that&#039;s the way of &lt;em&gt;Mao&lt;/em&gt;, not the Tao. I do agree that the mirrorshades are optional.&lt;/li&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Shaddack:</strong></p>
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<li>Yes, some attacks require you to get up close and personal, but the real-world cyberattack in question didn&#8217;t require physical proximity. You <em>are</em> correct that in many cases, getting someone onsite is the best way into a system.</li>
<li>Some 1337 types do like to build their own machines, but I know lots of people who&#8217;d rather not bother and just concentrate on their code or their cracking. As a wise man once said: &#8220;Computer science is as much about computers as astronomy is about telescopes.&#8221;</li>
<li>Leather impractical? It&#8217;s lasted for thousands of years because it&#8217;s so damn practical and good lookin&#8217; to boot. And jeans have got to be one of the easiest to care for garments around &#8212; millions of college students and slackers can&#8217;t be wrong. As for fatigues and tac vest &#8212; that&#8217;s the way of <em>Mao</em>, not the Tao. I do agree that the mirrorshades are optional.</li>
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		<title>By: Shaddack</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-238</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaddack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 22:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some sorts of cyber attacks you still have to get to the physical vicinity of the target. Attacks including interception of electromagnetic emissions (TEMPEST, wardriving) or tapping of cables or fiber optic still requires some wetware on-site.

Leather may look pretty but is impractical. Black jeans are maintenance-heavy. Fatigues and tactical vest - the more pockets the better - is the way of the Tao. Mirrorshades are optional.

The most elite folks build their own custom machines - or at least specialized coprocessors - from reconfigurable hardware. There is a corner in the future that belongs to the FPGA-like family of architectures. Far future will see the same on molecular level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some sorts of cyber attacks you still have to get to the physical vicinity of the target. Attacks including interception of electromagnetic emissions (TEMPEST, wardriving) or tapping of cables or fiber optic still requires some wetware on-site.</p>
<p>Leather may look pretty but is impractical. Black jeans are maintenance-heavy. Fatigues and tactical vest &#8211; the more pockets the better &#8211; is the way of the Tao. Mirrorshades are optional.</p>
<p>The most elite folks build their own custom machines &#8211; or at least specialized coprocessors &#8211; from reconfigurable hardware. There is a corner in the future that belongs to the FPGA-like family of architectures. Far future will see the same on molecular level.</p>
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		<title>By: Ervino</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>Ervino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The cyber-attack target was the Estonian internet, which people used for everyday activities, from banking to email to looking at pictures of other people’s cats with funny captions.&quot;

I CAN HAS CYBERBURGER???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The cyber-attack target was the Estonian internet, which people used for everyday activities, from banking to email to looking at pictures of other people’s cats with funny captions.&#8221;</p>
<p>I CAN HAS CYBERBURGER???</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Tomlinson</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Tomlinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Colin -

Those megabytes were not RAM.  They were &quot;hot&quot; data.  Makes a bit of a difference.</description>
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<p>Those megabytes were not RAM.  They were &#8220;hot&#8221; data.  Makes a bit of a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Pope Guilty</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>Pope Guilty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Cyber-attacks often required physical infiltration of a heavily-guarded site by a team comprising crack paramilitary troops and “console cowboys”.&lt;/i&gt;

The big difference here is that cyberpunks were after things on computers not connected to the net. When you&#039;re after a secured system that&#039;s guarded by armed troops, the street samurai come in handy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cyber-attacks often required physical infiltration of a heavily-guarded site by a team comprising crack paramilitary troops and “console cowboys”.</i></p>
<p>The big difference here is that cyberpunks were after things on computers not connected to the net. When you&#8217;re after a secured system that&#8217;s guarded by armed troops, the street samurai come in handy.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey deVilla</title>
		<link>http://www.globalnerdy.com/2007/05/29/cyberwar-aint-what-it-used-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey deVilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Colin: I was in high school back then, and I remember my Estonian classmate  Erik talking about how the Reds had taken over his country, so I laughed out loud when I saw &lt;strong&gt;Estonia&lt;/strong&gt; in your list of things that would&#039;ve been considered science fiction back in the 1980s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Colin: I was in high school back then, and I remember my Estonian classmate  Erik talking about how the Reds had taken over his country, so I laughed out loud when I saw <strong>Estonia</strong> in your list of things that would&#8217;ve been considered science fiction back in the 1980s.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colin Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the viewpoint of the early 1980s, a lot of the things in the &quot;real world&quot; column are pretty science-fictiony. Botnets? Computer viruses available for free to anyone who looks for them? Malware? Spam? People carrying out their everyday lives over a computer network? Pictures of cats speaking l33t? Estonia?

Of course, Gibson&#039;s early work (and that of his imitators) is also full of anachronisms. There are no cellphones. The USSR still exists (and is a powerful presence). A few &lt;i&gt;megabytes&lt;/i&gt; of RAM is a hot commodity on the black market. It&#039;s fiction, and nothing dates so quickly as the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the viewpoint of the early 1980s, a lot of the things in the &#8220;real world&#8221; column are pretty science-fictiony. Botnets? Computer viruses available for free to anyone who looks for them? Malware? Spam? People carrying out their everyday lives over a computer network? Pictures of cats speaking l33t? Estonia?</p>
<p>Of course, Gibson&#8217;s early work (and that of his imitators) is also full of anachronisms. There are no cellphones. The USSR still exists (and is a powerful presence). A few <i>megabytes</i> of RAM is a hot commodity on the black market. It&#8217;s fiction, and nothing dates so quickly as the future.</p>
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		<title>By: ajay</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 17:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The actual attack itself isn’t anywhere as exotic or future-tech-y as Neuromancer and all those other cyberpunk novels of the ’80s and ’90s made such things out to be. In fact, a lot of it seems so damned ordinary:&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree! Gibson&#039;s account of Op Screaming Fist sounds much more old-fashioned than the Estonia attack; it could almost be a slightly updated version of the WW2 Bruneval Raid or Op Gunnerside. Commandos actually parachuting in to the site (well, microlighting); gunfights; anti-aircraft fire... all very 1940s. In reality, we&#039;re dealing with worldwide networks of hijacked computers, taking down not just a military computer but a country&#039;s entire government! From anywhere on earth! Mobs of anonymous teenagers - real &quot;cyber punks&quot;, rather than crewcut Green Beret types - writing their own homebrew weapons, rather than stealing them from government armouries...
Much more unsettling and different than Gibson imagined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The actual attack itself isn’t anywhere as exotic or future-tech-y as Neuromancer and all those other cyberpunk novels of the ’80s and ’90s made such things out to be. In fact, a lot of it seems so damned ordinary:</i></p>
<p>I disagree! Gibson&#8217;s account of Op Screaming Fist sounds much more old-fashioned than the Estonia attack; it could almost be a slightly updated version of the WW2 Bruneval Raid or Op Gunnerside. Commandos actually parachuting in to the site (well, microlighting); gunfights; anti-aircraft fire&#8230; all very 1940s. In reality, we&#8217;re dealing with worldwide networks of hijacked computers, taking down not just a military computer but a country&#8217;s entire government! From anywhere on earth! Mobs of anonymous teenagers &#8211; real &#8220;cyber punks&#8221;, rather than crewcut Green Beret types &#8211; writing their own homebrew weapons, rather than stealing them from government armouries&#8230;<br />
Much more unsettling and different than Gibson imagined.</p>
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